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10 variations icon challenge
...can you make 10 different icons from one image?
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25th-Aug-2006 06:17 pm
10variations
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Frequently Asked Questions
1. The process | 2. The picture | 3. The icons | 4. The posts


1. The process: application, approval, banners
How do I claim?
Can I have more than one claim at the same time?
Is there a limit to how many claims I can do?
Do I have to wait for my banner until I can claim my next picture?
I've lost my claim information. What do I do now?
My claim was approved, but I can't post my icons to the community. Why is that?
I won't be able to finish my claim in time. What do I need to do?
I forgot to/couldn't request an extension and my claim is gone. Can I retrieve it?
I decided/am unable to finish my claim. Is there anything I need to do?

2. The picture: subject, size, spoilers
What can I claim?
What do you consider a spoiler and what do I need to do if my image is spoilerish?
Can I claim a subject/picture someone has done before?
Can I claim a subject/picture someone is doing at the moment?
Can I claim the same subject/picture twice?
Photobucket resized my image. Can I still use it?

3. The icons: the sets, alternatives
If my pic contains more than one person/character, do I have to include everybody in every icon?
Am I allowed to post alternatives?
Can I make the set before I claim the pic?
Can I include old icons in my set?
Are we allowed to make a set choosing rules from both set of rules?

4. The posts: moderation queue, subject lines, lj-cuts
I posted my icons to the community. Why can't I find the post?
How do I make a pretty icon table?
What should my subject line look like?
Can I post these icons in my personal/icon journal as well?
I don't know what a real LJ-cut is or how to make one. Please help me?
My post was rejected. What do I need to do now?
I tried to post my icons to the community and got the error message "maximum queued posts for this community+poster combination reached". What does that mean?


1. The process: application, approval, banners
General info
+ How do I claim?
Make sure you have read the rules in the userinfo. Then simply reply to the claims list with the appropriate form filled out. If this is your first claim, please also join the community.
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+ Can I have more than one claim at the same time?
We encourage you to finish your claim before you start the next one. However, at the moment there is no rule that forbids you to claim more than one image at the same time. Please note, however, that you'll have to wait until your post is approved by a moderator before you can submit your next post to the community.
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+ Is there a limit to how many claims I can do?
No, there is no limit on your creativity. Go wild! :D
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+ Do I have to wait for my banner until I can claim my next picture?
Technically, your claim counts as completed as soon as you have posted your icons in the community and replied to the completed list. You therefore don't have to wait for your banner before you can claim the next picture. (And we allow multiple claims at the same time anyways.)
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For other questions regarding claims, please also read the next section.

Troubleshooting
+ I've lost my claim information. What do I do now?
If you haven't posted your icons to the community yet, your original comment should still be at the claims list. Simply go back and find it. The approval comment has your claim information in it. If you can't find your original comment, please reply to the claims list with your problem.
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+ My claim was approved, but I can't post my icons to the community. Why is that?
If you can't post your icons, you have not yet been granted posting access in this community. This might occur either because of a mistake on our side (usually the access get granted along with the claims, but every now and then someone slips the net) or because you forgot to join the community. Either way, please join the community and reply to your approval comment at the claims list with your problem, and we'll grant you access as soon as possible.
Please be aware that the community is on moderated status, so your posts might take a while to be processed.
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+ I won't be able to finish my claim in time. What do I need to do?
Please reply to your claim comment at the claims list and either request an extension, or tell us you won't finish the claim so we can delete it.
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+ I forgot to/couldn't request an extension and my claim is gone. Can I retrieve it?
No, once a claim is deleted it is gone. If you still want to finish your claim, simply reply to the claims list and claim your image again. You are allowed to use any icons you've already made for the claim.
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+ I decided/am unable to finish my claim. Is there anything I need to do?
If your claim has been approved, please go back to the claims list, find your original comment and reply to the approval comment with a quick note that you do not want to finish your claim. This way we can properly delete it.
If your claim hasn't been approved yet, simply go back to the claims list and delete your comment.
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2. The picture: subject, size, spoilers
General info
+ What can I claim?
To sum it up: any picture you'd like whenever you want to. There are only two restrictions.
1) If your image contains a spoiler, you must warn us. For further information please see the next question.
2) If you choose a fanart/manip/drawing from another person, you need the artist's explicit permission to use it and you'll need to credit them in your post in the community. (Obviously you won't be able to ask artists like Rembrandt or Andy Warhol.)
Please be aware, though, that your picture needs to be at least 250 pixels x 120 pixels large.
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+ What do you consider a spoiler and what do I need to do if my image is spoilerish?
Any picture that gives something away about plot or important casting developments of the subject/category that might spoil the viewing/reading experience for someone who hasn't seen/read it yet, is spoilerish. (So a picture of Romeo dying in some Shakespear production of Romeo and Juliet would have to be marked spoilerish, if the story weren't so widely known.)
Please be precise in informing us of any possible spoilers when you submit your claim, since we mods are people who don't like to get spoiled. We will then inform you if and to what extent you should warn for spoilers when you post your icons and comment to the completed list. For example, it might happen if your image contains major spoilers for the latest season of a TV show airing in the U.S., you will be asked to ensure a non-spoilerish preview image when you post your icons. Please be sure to state clearly in your post and comment to the completed list that your image contains spoilers.
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+ Can I claim a subject/picture someone has done before?
Yes, we do not restrict the number of times a particular subject/picture can be done.
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+ Can I claim a subject/picture someone is doing at the moment?
Yes, you do not have to wait for someone to finish their claim before you can claim the same subject/picture.
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+ Can I claim the same subject/picture twice?
You can. However, you should be aware that if you choose the same picture again, the new set has to differ visibly from the old one, and not just be slight variations of it. (e.g. if you do a set in all blue, doing the same set in all red would kinda defeat the purpose of this challenge, making new icons in all red would be fine.) We now offer a second rules set you might like to try out.
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Troubleshooting
+ Photobucket resized my image. Can I still use it?
No. The image you submit must have the dimensions of the image you are going to use. Please upload your image to a personal server or free image hosting service (for example imageshack or tinypic) that do not resize your photos.
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3. The icons: the set, alternatives
General info
+ If my pic contains more than one person/character, do I have to include everybody in every icon?
No. The rule is that in each icon you have to be able to recognize your original image, but there is no rule that says you cannot crop persons/characters out of the icons. Often rule #1 will even make it impossible for you to include all persons/characters in the icon.
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+ Am I allowed to post alternatives?
The set you post must contain ten icons, no more, no less. This means you have to choose one icon for each rule to be in your set. However, you are allowed to post alernatives as extras underneath your set, as long as they are alternatives to a specific rule. Meaning if you have cropped your original image for rule #1 in two different ways, you need to decide on one icon to use it in your set, but can post the second as an alternative for #1. You are asked to not post extra icons from the picture that haven't been made for a specific rule and try not to post more than two alternatives for a specific rule.
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+ Can I make the set before I claim the pic?
Yes, you can. It is common for people to first try out the picture before you actually claim it, because sometimes you will find that although a picture looks great, it'll be actually very difficult to make ten different icons from it. Sometimes you will also have to wait a few days for claim approval, but we don't want to hold you back, so you can start doing your icons before you get approved. We have no rule prohibiting the posting of premade icon sets, so long as all the icons in the set were created specifically for this challenge. There's no way of us knowing it anyways. ;)
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+ Can I include old icons in my set?
No. All icons you make must be new and created specifically for this challenge.
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+ Are we allowed to make a set choosing rules from both set of rules?
No. You have to decide on one set of rules when you make your icon set. It is not possible to make for example the first five of the set according to the first set of rules, and the second five according to the second set of rules. However, you are allowed to claim the same image twice and complete both set of rules.
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4. The posts: moderation queue, subject lines, lj-cuts
General info
+ I posted my icons to the community. Why can't I find the post?
The community has gone to moderated status. This means your post will be submitted into the moderation queue. It will then be checked by one of our moderators, and, if approved, posted to the community. If you've ignored our posting guidelines in your post completely, it might happen that your post will be rejected. You will then recieve a notification email from livejournal with a comment from one of our moderators why your post was rejected.
If you have not recieved such an email and your post hasn't appeared in the community after a few days, please contact one of the moderators.
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+ How do I make a pretty icon table?
One way would be to learn HTML (you never know when it might come in handy ;), but for all those who don't want to put quite so much effort into coding their post, there are icon table generators out there, for example this one by 77words or this one by eveningsky.
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+ What should my subject line look like?
Your subject line should be in the format "Category: Sub-Category: Subject" (preferably Subject as "Last Name, First Name" if applicable). You have been provided your claim information when your claim was approved. If you have for some reason lost this information, please read this question.
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+ Can I post these icons in my personal/icon journal as well?
Yes, of course. While we do not allow fake-cuts, we have no rule prohibiting cross-posting. We would like you to post your icons here in the community once, but apart from that you are free to post them wherever you like.
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Troubleshooting
+ I don't know what a real LJ-cut is or how to make one. Please help me?
Please view the Livejournal FAQ on this question.
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+ My post was rejected. What do I need to do now?
If your post was rejected, this means something was substantially wrong with your post. Please read our posting guidelines and resubmit your icons in a format according to our guidelines. In your rejection notification you should have found a comment from one of our moderators specifying the reasons why your post was rejected.
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+ I tried to post my icons to the community and got the error message "maximum queued posts for this community+poster combination reached". What does that mean?
This means you've tried to submit a post while there's still one of your posts in the queue for this community. Posting in this community is moderated, which means all posts will have to be approved by a moderator before they appear in the community. LJ does not allow you to have multiple posts in the queue waiting to be approved. Please wait until a moderator has approved your post before you post your next one in the community.
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Comments 
26th-Aug-2006 01:47 am (UTC)
the image i'd like to claim is a magazine scan so there's text on the side.
when i get to the 'all of image' part may i crop the text part out?
26th-Aug-2006 02:28 am (UTC)
if the text part is highly inconvenient, you may crop it out. however, try to include it if you can - that's the challenge ;) (you might wanna consider cropping out the text part before you claim the image, though.)

-neb // mod
24th-Sep-2006 03:05 am (UTC) - About them blinkies.
Are animations okay? Or does something actually have to blink?
For example, would these be okay:
25th-Sep-2006 04:44 am (UTC) - Re: About them blinkies.
well, the point of the second set is that you're supposed to try and re-create some most popular icon styles. an animated icon like the ones in your examples goes more into the direction of the animated mini movie icons than a blinkie. so i'd say try to go a little more in the direction of an actual blinkie in your icon. :)
(as always, note that we do not actually check the sets if they adhere to all rules, though. so if you're really against blinkies and cannot get yourself to do one, make an animated icon. the blinkie rule shouldn't hold you back from making a whole set ^^)
27th-Dec-2006 08:07 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing this is a really dumb question, but I feel like asking because I really am confused. All those banners that people have as their..well, teasers I suppose; did they make the banners, or did you guys make the banners for them?
30th-Dec-2006 12:47 pm (UTC)
The banners that people use as their teasers in their icon posts, they have done themselves. but you don't have to make a preview banner, you can also put a thumbnail or your original image or your first two icons outside of the cut as teasters.
the banners we make people after they have completed their claims are something they can put on their userinfo or in their journals to show that they have completed the challenge. you can take a look at those if you look at the comments of the completed list. :)

-neb // mod
3rd-Jan-2007 12:52 am (UTC)
Anonymous
I have a question. On the third variation it says to desaturate the image. If my image is black and white already what should I do for that prompt? Just make an icon since the image is already desaturated?
3rd-Jan-2007 12:53 am (UTC)
sorry, that was me.
30th-Mar-2007 10:53 pm (UTC)
I am considering taking on this challenge using Rule Set #2. However, I have one problem - the image I am intent on using is already B&W. My question is: Can I resaturate a part of the image to add the color needed for rule number ten? It offers plenty of leeway for doing so. But I want to make sure I am clear on everything before I submit a claim/join.
30th-Mar-2007 11:05 pm (UTC)
hum. the icon that should come out of rule ten is a b/w thing with only one color. if your image is b/w, you would need to add this color (or color in a specific object in multiple colors). i rephrased the rule in the original set, hopefully making it a bit clearer. :)

-neb // mod
27th-Apr-2007 06:41 am (UTC)
hi i'm trying to post my icons but its not showing up on my 'update' page, it should show up when i click the top tab but '10variations' isnt there.

any ideas how i can post??

thanks
27th-Apr-2007 06:54 am (UTC)
you haven't been granted posting access, because you said in your claims comment you already had access. it's been fixed now, so you should be able to post your icons. :)

-neb // mod
16th-Oct-2007 09:12 pm (UTC) - Rejected Notification
Hey, I just got a notification saying that my entry was rejected due to the LJ-cut being wrong, but no otehr specification was give. I just tried it out in my journal (setting the netry to private) and it works just fine, so I really don't know what's wrong. Can someone please help me?
19th-Oct-2007 12:29 pm (UTC) - Re: Rejected Notification
It was probably just a typo that caused the LJ-cut to be messed up. Please simply resubmit your post and make sure to use the preview function to check all your coding is correct :)

-neb//mod
9th-Dec-2007 01:06 pm (UTC)
I made a post, but discovered I had an error in my coding...
and I fixed it in the post, but I can't resubmit.

What should I do?
9th-Dec-2007 08:11 pm (UTC)
You couldn't resubmit because your old post was still in the moderation queue. I just rejected it, so now you're good to resubmit your icons. Please make sure to use the preview function to check your coding before posting. :)

-neb // mod
9th-Dec-2007 08:06 pm (UTC)
I just cannot get my animation to work. I read the tutorial and did everything it said. Is there another program I could use?
9th-Dec-2007 08:42 pm (UTC)
Huh. What program do you use to make your icons? I know Adobe ImageReady will do animations as well, it's what I use.
11th-Dec-2007 03:29 am (UTC)
Hello!
I do not wish to sound like a fool, but can the base picture be long vertical instead of horizonal? I have seen only horizontally long pictures, but no vertical pictures.
Thank you!
11th-Dec-2007 04:36 pm (UTC)
Do you mean your original picture? As long as that one is at least 250 pixels x 120 pixels (that's longer side x smaller side) it's fine. Just go claim it, and if there's something wrong we'll let you know. :)

-neb // mod
11th-Dec-2007 04:10 am (UTC)
I need some clarification on Rule 4 in Rule Set One.

It says you need to mirror the image, but it does not state that you need to use both the mirror and original. Can you just use the mirror image? I see most people use both when I took it as you could do it as either/or.
11th-Dec-2007 04:38 pm (UTC)
The rule says you have to use the mirrored image. Whether or not you include the unmirrored version (meaning your original image) in the icon is up to you. :)

-neb // mod
12th-Dec-2007 08:36 pm (UTC)
I accidentally managed to post my set before actually completing the post. Please delete that post from the queue so that I can submit the complete post. Thanks and sorry about that!
12th-Dec-2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
done :)

-neb // mod
25th-Dec-2007 07:33 pm (UTC)
I submitted my post a couple days ago and it hasn't shown up yet. I haven't received any notifications either. Could you let me know what's going on? Thanks.
25th-Dec-2007 07:55 pm (UTC)
It's still in the queue. I'm currently not at home and I'm the only one approving posts, so there's quite a backlog. Yours is 5th, so it'll most likely get approved tomorrow.

I'm sorry for the delay, unfortunately we've gotten a little swamped.

-neb // mod
3rd-Jan-2008 09:22 am (UTC)
I really have no way to animate any icons for the blinkie challenge, I lack the resources and I think blinkies are sort of goofy, and my picture that I'm working from is sort of serious. Is there any way I can get an alternate rule?
3rd-Jan-2008 01:07 pm (UTC)
The short answer: no.

The long answer:
I've discussed this with my co-mods and we agreed on this. The goal of the second rules set, which was designed for advanced icon makers, is to get people to experiment with a variety of commonly used styles for icons. Blinkies are a common style, yet one most people haven't done before, so this rule forces you to try out new things. This is the reason we won't change it. If you really don't want to do a blinkie (due to the subject matter of your image or whatever), an animated icon will do, but we really want you to do at least that much.

If you're using windows, we provided a link for a freeware program that will let you create animated gifs. A lot of the common photo editing software will let you do the same thing, you might wanna try googling if your software is able to do it. If all else fails, GIMP, for example, is another free tool that works on Mac and Windows and is entirely free. Thus we do not accept "I can't make animated icons" as a reason for not doing rule number 9.

If you find yourself completely unable to do an animated icon, we suggest you simply do your icons with the first rules set. The only time I have approved posts that included a 'placeholder' icon for the animated icon were posts, where people did both sets of rules with the same image, thus providing them with one completed set even though the second one was lacking an icon.

-neb // mod
27th-Feb-2008 06:07 pm (UTC)
Hi!

My post has been rejected twice for an error with the LJ-cut in the coding - I've checked and re-checked it, and tried posting it to my own LJ and my icon journal just to check, and the cut works fine. I can't see any errors in the preview pane either.

If there's still a problem with it I can try and find a different code for the table if it's any help?

Thanks!
- madzilla
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